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Postby jumpman972 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:50 am

i've finally decided to convert my 100g fw tank to a sw tank-
i have some questions, concerns, thoughts, and seeking advice on my project.

i have successfully kept a 24g reef nano over the past couple of years and would like to upgrade all my stock to the 100g.
the lighting i have been using on the nano is this current nova t5 fixture:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+3733+18700&pcatid=18700
i have been keeping mushrooms, polyps, candy coral, a clam well under this lighting all of which i plan to continue to keep in my 100g.

my first question is about the lighting-
the tank top is not completely open. there is about 5 inches of glass on the top from both sides of the tank. additionally, there is a 10" peice of glass holding the center/middle of the tank together at the top as well. im not sure whether to purchase another one of these fixtures and have them side by side on top of the tank or not. the glasses would hold these fixtures as they are the 20" module. the specs of the lights are: 20" 108 watts 3-18 watt 10,000°K 3-18 watt 460 nm actinic. i have read that 2-3 watts of light is recommended per gallon. the total watts would be around 216 - is this on the low side? the tank is about 8" taller than the nano. i don't even know if this would look weird having to separate fixtures on top of the tank - not to mention, the need to be replacing 12 bulbs....

the other lighting source that i have been reading about is the marineland reef led with timers:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=24725
they are made to fit 48-60" so i'm assuming the ends of the tank would be not as lit, but im okay with that. having timers is really key so i can have that blue/white lights alternate.
would 1 this fixture provide enough light for the corals i have ? i have read some people adding 2 fixtures, i don't want to go overkill...and if im going to spend around $300 for a light fixture(which i found it elsewhere) i don't mind. but if i need 2, for $600...i would assume there are better lights out there. would they be okay for an anemone, and perhaps frogspawns in case i decide to add more coral in the future?

i intend to look on CL for some LR for cheap...maybe even some dead lbs. im aiming for about 80-100 lbs. if i take my current LR from my tank (which is only about 15-20lbs)- how much faster does this speed up the cycling process? would some of the corals die if i transfer them into the larger tank?

also, i currently have black sand in my tank. i plan on emptying the tank and thoroughly clean the sand, letting it dry, and then reusing. would this type of sand be sufficient for a SW tank? i know there is live sand and crushed coral for tanks, and im pretty sure i have seen live black sand before - but i wasn't sure if it would make a difference.

i already have some larger powerheads i intend to use for the flow, however, i also have a canister and HOB emperor 400's too.im still not sure about the filtration/skimmer so portion so thats where i need some more help. how necessary is a skimmer?...sump? could i use my canister for water flow and a small version of a sump to include media in? should i get rid of the 400's and add more powerheads?

lastly, i have a good idea of what fish i want to stock the tank with. ive always loved the yellow tangs, so thats a must for me. the pair of clowns from the nano will be going in as well. i wanted a blue tang, but not sure if it is too much - so if not, maybe another fish that doesn't get this big or even a couple other on the smaller side. i have a yellow watchman goby as well that i want to transfer over as well. i would like a small schooling fish, maybe 3 chromis or anything similar...smaller fish wouldn't be bad either. and after all the fish are in, a flame angel. of course i'll have the snails, crabs, pep shrimps and cleaners shrimps. would this stock work? suggestions appreciated.


thanks in advance for any info.
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Re: new 100g reef tank.

Postby ~RuSh~ » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:23 pm

Welcome. :D

I just skimmed your post but I will read it through when I have a chance later today.
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Re: new 100g reef tank.

Postby ~RuSh~ » Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:46 pm

What are the dimensions of the 100g?

I can tell you now that I would opt for one light fixture. You can make two fixtures work, but like you said, twice the bulbs to replace and twice the power cords, etc etc. I have a 4x 24w Aquaticlife T5HO fixture that I love. It has a timer for each type of light. I have my actinics set to come on at 10am, my 10k lights come on at 12 noon, and my moon light leds come on at 8pm. At 9pm, my actinics and 10k's turn off, and just my moonlights run from 9-10pm and then everything is off. My tank is in my bedroom and I need them off to get sleep (lol). When I upgrade, I'm getting the same brand light again, just longer and in a 6 bulb fixture. That's how much I love it. :D

I have also run the Marineland reef capable LED's. I'm not super impressed. The LED's are 1 watts and must have a narrow focus because I have corals that are directly under the fixture that are doing well and not that great. In other words the part of the coral that is directly under an LED is getting good light but another part of the coral only inches away that might not be in direct light isn't as full. The corals in question are all euphyllias (frogspawn and hammer). My opinion is that they are good for low light corals only. Xenia, shrooms, some polyps, some LPS. Clam probably wouldnt' work and definitely wouldn't try a nem or SPS.

I would strongly consider adding dry rock. Adding live rock is a risk because there is the potential for die off and that can cause ammonia to spike. It can also introduce unwanted hitch hikers (aiptasia, nudibranchs, macroalgaes, etc). Adding dry rock should prove to be low risk and since your current rock is cycled and mature moving it over will give you an instant nitrogenous cycle. However, if you add new sand, the new sand will likely leech phosphates and silicates for the first few months and you may have to endure the red slime phase again. I dont think there is a black live sand... at least not that I've seen. 'Live sand' is almost always aragonite which is white/tan in color. 'Live sand' also supposedly contains live beneficial bacteria but don't hold you breath for that.
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Re: new 100g reef tank.

Postby jumpman972 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:54 am

the tank is 60 wide x 22 tall and about 15 deep.

do the lights that you have push out enough power for the corals?..i couldn't find a 60" fixture from that line.
your light schedule sounds like mine in the nano...i like the way those blue lights look - especially the lunar lights. so peaceful and relaxing.

i keep on reading about LED's and their life expectancy. im not sure if these newer LEDS are better now since they are not the first gen anymore...
i read that some people swear on LEDS and others who just feel like there hasn't been enough time to determine great results. so im confused. really confused.
the LEDS last about 5-6 years..and then buy a new set? at least a light fixture can last a while and replacing bulbs and changing ballast would be more of a long term thought?.
although im sure in 5 years, the technology will be far more advanced and there will be something much more efficient.

i did find this fixture, but im not sure if its discontinued or not - dunno if thats a red light bc i can't find it on dr foster n smith:

http://www.aquacave.com/60-Current-USA-Outer-Orbit-2x150W-10000K-HQI-MH-w-4x54W-T5-HO-18-Lunar-Lights-P1222.aspx

i do like this fixture - i would have to measure up the HQI's to make sure its centered with my tank where the glass isn't in the middle.

the dry rock seems like the smarter route - thats what i will end up doing.
as for the sand, i assume it will be a decision that i'll go with and see how it ends up working. thank you.
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Re: new 100g reef tank.

Postby ~RuSh~ » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:57 pm

I don't think you're going to find any fixtures that are 60 inches long... that's kind of an oddball length. Most of the light fixtures are going to come in 48 inches or 72 inches....

The fixture I have puts enough power out for the corals I have yes. Those include Acanthastrea, Frogspawn, Hammer, Torch, Xenia, Kenya tree, Zoanthids, Candy cane, Trumpets and mushrooms. I have kept some others, but these I have kept long term and with great success. My tank is 18 inches tall and the fixture sits about 2-3 inches above the tank and it still gets down to the sandbed where my zoas are pretty well.

I personally am not sold on LED's yet. The marineland led fixture I had actually had several leds go out after only a few months. I emailed Marineland about it and got a brand new fixture free of charge, but like I said I'm still not happy with the way the light focal points limit coral growth. I'll go with t5's any day. Not to mention you can swap out bulbs if you want to and get really different color combos which is pretty awesome. LED's are permanent... unless your a tech guru and make your own fixture I guess.

The fixture in the link you posted looks decent. I'm not big on the Current brand but if you've had success with them then maybe you are more comfortable with their products. The wattage looks good. One thing I want to point out - the fixture says its 60 inches, but I'd bet a benjamin that the bulbs are only 48 inches... Which is probably fine unless you are planning to pack your tank solid with corals, in which case you might want to consider an even larger fixture.
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Re: new 100g reef tank.

Postby OLroy » Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:16 pm

I would stay away from MH if possible, too much energy for the same job T5s can do. If you are into the DIY aspect of the hobby my best friend built his own LED fixture for his 112G reef. Look on http://www.Rapidled.com for roughly 300$ you'll get 48 3 watt Creed LEDs, they seem to work great on his tank. I use a 6 bulb T5 fixture and find it was more than enough even on my 24 inch 90 that I had up last year.

As for you using your sand I'd use caution, the reason we like to use crushed coral or 'live' sand is because it is primarily a calcium based sand which as you know is extremely beneficial to corals. Going with the dry rock is a good call. I wouldn't even use the rock you had in your nano unless everything was flawless in that tank. It doesn't take too long to seed your rock and make it 'live', the fish and coral you introduce will bring in the coralline algae for you as well as other stuff it needs as well as the stuff you don't want lol.

The Skimmer question all depends on who you talk to. Buehler does not use a skimmer on his tank and he has success. For myself I believe a skimmer to be the second most important piece of equipment you can have on your tank next to a source of RO/DI or distilled water. If money is of no concern buy the most expensive skimmer rated for your tank you can find. If it is, as it is with most of us, bubble magnus, aquaC and Reef octopus would be the 3 'cheaper' brands that I would look into.

Are you going to be using a sump? If you are you should be fine with getting your two tangs, the pair of clowns and watchman goby. You could probably also get a jawfish, wrasse, and a few chromis or I'd personally go with anthias over the chromis.
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Re: new 100g reef tank.

Postby jumpman972 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:02 pm

some updates:

thanks for the responses...

you are right rush - the 60" fixtures are very difficult to come across. those leds come in 48" that can fit up to 60"..but i went with your advice and got the t5's;
http://www.petmountain.com/show_product/11442-526618

i keep on hearing mixed reviews on the leds and the lighting they disperse into the entire tank, and with the pros and cons i was so confused. although i've been wanting the LEDS, i went against them for the time being. i hope i made the right decision since i plan on having the lights for some time..but time will tell. if anyone has had great success with the leds, please tell me! i can still exchange the lights.

as for my fixture, i need to figure a way to have the brackets hold onto the tank. the fixture is is 12" short on the tank. its resting on some glass atm...
i haven't had time to look for a retro fit or maybe a DIY but i do like the way the light looks over the tank. does anyone know of a light fixture holder that could extend to fit a larger tank? the light is full and bright with both whites and blues on, and it has lunar leds too which is a plus. if i can't figure out this bracket thing, i might have to get the leds since they will fit on the tank easier.
i'll post some pics later when i get a chance for advice.

i recently prepped and painted the tank black. cleaned out the sand and put on a new black background. tank was put into place and ready for rock.i went with the black sand altho the benefits of the other sand would be better (but hopefully will address this later - in the sump)
i put in about 65-70 lbs of rock...and will be adding more tonight. i have about 20 that i'll transfer from my nano in a bit (and that tank is perfectly fine and healthy), but for now, trying to cycle what i have. im running 3 pumps (2 koralia 1400's and one other larger pump i got for cheap elsewhere that is aimed at the surface) for circulation and it looks like a good amount of flow all around.

my next purchase in which i need help with is the sump!
my original plan was to use my two existing emp400 HOB's on the tank, with both of them running. clip a light on top and have come chaeto algae growing while the bio wheels for the beneficial bacteria (like a HOB refugium). i did want to skip out on the skimmer and be religious weekly with the WC's and go about it a different way, but myt LFS guy advised me against this method...and didn't know if someone could help me out with this decision.

one huge issue is the limited space i have underneath in the stand. the stands legs are very close together, only giving me about 9 (maybe 10) inches depth. the width is not an issue, as i have the whole bottom (but will use it for storage of water, and quarantine tank). i can however, put the sump perpendicular to the tank underneath, hanging out the back (which i have space away from the wall) to give me about 13" wide and 17-18" long front to back. i would like to use a sump for the filtration, but the chaeto, heater, some live rock and live sand as well) and possibly a skimmer. the one sump that i found that i like (comes with overflow box) is the Eshopps Wet-Dry Filters WD-100CS http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=18367 the dimension: 18" x 12" x 16" H Single 400 gph 75-100 gallons.
I know its rated on the lower end (and I'd rather have the 125..but space is limited). it comes with the overflow box and the media (seems like a good price!)

the other sump i like, but i will go home and check again to see how close to 10" of space i have in the narrow spot for this:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=23752


are these sumps okay? if i find one that will work with my space - i have no choice but to go with it. seems like the second option has a higher flow rate, even tho its rated for 75 g. thoughts? if the sump doesn't come with the overflow box, i found one i like: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=18358

should i stick with the recommendations of the return pump from the sump to the tank? do i need a higher power pump ?

i would then need to think about a skimmer than hangs or goes into the sump. like i mentioned before, i do want to put the live sand and maybe some live rock, so the more chambers would be best - as long as space permits it. any thoughts on skimmer type/performance?

what do you think of these:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4400#BVRRWidgetID

http://www.petmountain.com/product/aquarium-skimmers/11442-515964/marineland-marine-series-pro-in-sump-protein-skimmer.html

http://www.petmountain.com/product/aquarium-skimmers/11442-504040/coralife-super-skimmer-with-needle-wheel-technology.html

i'll try to post pics up soon of the progress. all input is appreciated as always!
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Re: new 100g reef tank.

Postby jumpman972 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:22 pm

as far as stocking the tank...i would like to keep a yellow tang, the clowns, the goby, a wrasse of a smaller size, and a flame angel. do you see any problems with these fish all together?
i don't mind substituting the blue tang for a few smaller fish if its an issue. i do enjoy movement a lot, and to have a blue tang in the tank would add color, but im concerned about the bioload as an adult and being too large in general.
is that a normal concern?
i don't want to overdue my tank, but again, would rather sub the BT for a smaller fish or two and keep the yellow tang my main fish if its too much stress in my tank.
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Re: new 100g reef tank.

Postby OLroy » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:45 am

I've personally used the Coralife skimmer and was not impressed with it. The other two I cannot say but I haven't heard of anyone rave about them either. I would go for the in sump over the other. If I were you I'd look into an AquaC Remora if you want hob or Reef Octopus/ Bubble Magus for in sump. They are roughly 60 bucks more than the ones you have listed but I know for a fact the Bubble Magus series is amazing and well worth your money.
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Re: new 100g reef tank.

Postby ~RuSh~ » Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:42 am

jumpman972 wrote:some updates:

thanks for the responses...

you are right rush - the 60" fixtures are very difficult to come across. those leds come in 48" that can fit up to 60"..but i went with your advice and got the t5's;
http://www.petmountain.com/show_product/11442-526618

i keep on hearing mixed reviews on the leds and the lighting they disperse into the entire tank, and with the pros and cons i was so confused. although i've been wanting the LEDS, i went against them for the time being. i hope i made the right decision since i plan on having the lights for some time..but time will tell. if anyone has had great success with the leds, please tell me! i can still exchange the lights.

as for my fixture, i need to figure a way to have the brackets hold onto the tank. the fixture is is 12" short on the tank. its resting on some glass atm...
i haven't had time to look for a retro fit or maybe a DIY but i do like the way the light looks over the tank. does anyone know of a light fixture holder that could extend to fit a larger tank? the light is full and bright with both whites and blues on, and it has lunar leds too which is a plus. if i can't figure out this bracket thing, i might have to get the leds since they will fit on the tank easier.
i'll post some pics later when i get a chance for advice.



I'm not familiar with that particular fixture, but I have used Coralife fixtures for freshwater setups and always had good results. My fixture has the brackets that fit along the front and back of the tank so it doesn't actually matter how long the tank is, it can still be mounted. Is yours able to be suspended? Maybe a suspension kit is the answer. I really wouldn't switch to LED's but that is just my opinion. I'd make it work somehow.

jumpman972 wrote:i recently prepped and painted the tank black. cleaned out the sand and put on a new black background. tank was put into place and ready for rock.i went with the black sand altho the benefits of the other sand would be better (but hopefully will address this later - in the sump)
i put in about 65-70 lbs of rock...and will be adding more tonight. i have about 20 that i'll transfer from my nano in a bit (and that tank is perfectly fine and healthy), but for now, trying to cycle what i have. im running 3 pumps (2 koralia 1400's and one other larger pump i got for cheap elsewhere that is aimed at the surface) for circulation and it looks like a good amount of flow all around.


Sounds like we need some pictures. D:

jumpman972 wrote:my next purchase in which i need help with is the sump!
my original plan was to use my two existing emp400 HOB's on the tank, with both of them running. clip a light on top and have come chaeto algae growing while the bio wheels for the beneficial bacteria (like a HOB refugium). i did want to skip out on the skimmer and be religious weekly with the WC's and go about it a different way, but myt LFS guy advised me against this method...and didn't know if someone could help me out with this decision.


The bio-wheels will actually be more of a pain than they will be of benefit. The denitrification abilities of live rock (set up properly) far outperform biowheels. All they will do is create massive amounts of salt creep. Using the emperors as DIY refugiums is not a bad idea, though I've never done it before so I can't comment on their efficiency. Any chaeto growing in the system will be beneficial in removing nitrates/phosphates though so it is worth a shot.

If you plan on doing a sump, then don't bother with the emperors. Tie the chaeto into the sump somehow.
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Re: new 100g reef tank.

Postby Fishlab » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:17 am

Lighting appears to be handled, I like t5 and a neighbor loves his new LED's but I don't follow his tank much. Both have their endorsements and endorsers, but I agree that I will never return to MH.

I would absolutely 100% add your cultured rock to your new tank, I can't think of one reason not to unless it is covered in aiptasia, nuisance algae, etc. I would go with whatever substrate you want, there is no reason to pick a substrate for any "chemical" reasons. Silica based sand does not leach much if any silica, etc., aragonite based sand does not buffer calcium that much etc. Calcium, etc., if you have any demand, can be efficiently covered by dosing calcium, kalkwasser, etc. I personally do not and will not use a substrate again, personal choice only. I still don't have to dose much of anything because I do not have a heavy calcium demand. After that, I would order or purchase cultured liverock over dead rock unless your budget calls for dead rock only to be able to afford your total setup. The reason being, reef tanks are most successful due to biodiversity and you cannot be true cultured liverock. Most dieoff is already completed after it is harvested by the suppliers and held in their holding tanks. The best is if you can go to a local fish store and directly pick your rock and take it home. I would start the tank and move over your entire nano tank. I would put fresh liverock in a tote container with a pump and allow it a few days to be able to observe it for nuisance critters. If you get it by freight, I would let the rock in a week or more. If you don't notice any horrible smell you are good to go, I would add it to your tank to complete your rockscape. I would only add dead rock as fillers for space. Dead rock is barren of any beneficial algae. Beneficial algae takes longer to out compete nuisance algae, and you will be opening the door for hair, slime, etc. varieties to take hold because they are the first to form thanks to their efficiency with utilizing any extra nutrients.

I would not run the canister or HOB filters. Canister filters collect waste where it will be held away from your cleanup crew, quickly adding to nitrates. If you run them empty, they are high flow, low volume pumps. You will get a forceful jet blast that isn't natural or beneficial for your reef. Run empty, they are a waste of space. HOB filters splash and create tons of salt creep and also are not beneficial for flow. I would only use them, again, due to budget concerns. For a reef tank, you can't beat the new varieties of high volume, low flow powerheads that move a lot of water in wider currents. I currently use Koralias because I bought them years ago. In trips to the LFS, I see there are plenty of other choices that don't break the bank either.

I would not use a skimmer unless you are utilizing a deep sand bed or other means to process nitrates in the aquarium. I have an 11 year old 30g reef tank that does fine without one. You will get 100 opinions on what brand to get. I currently use the Eshopps hangon brand on a new tank. I don't really go for the high end skimmers because I dose vodka which naturally improves the efficiency of any skimmer and assists nutrient control.

Your stocking plan seems fine, assuming you keep an eye on nutrient lvels, etc.
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Re: new 100g reef tank.

Postby jumpman972 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:24 pm

as promised, i have uploaded some pictures of the process.
from the original photo of my oscar tank that brought me to this site...to the up to date pictures of my 100g new reef setup.


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oscar tank.

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white lights.

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both lights, water hazy.

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blue lights.

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4 led blue lunar lights.

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most recent pic of white/blue lights.


the lights were the most difficult to decide, as i wanted to make sure i got what i wanted AND needed for my future tank ideas.
maybe in a few years the newer leds will be 3w each, priced well, studied, and provide enough info to convince me.
correctly, the lights are 2 actinic, 2 white...and i will be swapping out one of the blues for a purple like i did for my nano- i really like the glow effect. even in the picture above with the blue only (the picture doesn't even do justice as to the real nice color of the blue that comes out) i think the purple will be a nice compliment.
there is a local glass company that charges $15 to have some good pieces cut, and i'll be able to get a pair that will fit inside the rim of the tank for the light to hang on cleanly. i don't think i want to hang them from the ceiling (future canopy idea) and i won't attach it to a canopy (difficult for water changes, etc...)


as for the rock, a friend sold me some cultured rock for a great price. its mixed in the tank so it should help seed out the others. my nano tank has a good couple of pieces that i will transfer over in the next few days to help with the process as well.

i would assume this would be the part where i drop in the raw shrimp to decompose?...or should i wait another week?

ive abandoned the idea of the HOB bio wheels! its too much in the back as i would like a cleaner look - although i plan to build a canopy top. id rather save the energy of having the two pumps from the HOB and run the sump.

Im going to get a sump that fits appropriately for my tank, but was not sure if i should go with the dual overflows or not. it might be unnecessary, as the dual and single intake sumps are the same dimensions, just one has an extra intake rated for 125-150g tanks:

WD-125CS 24" x 12" x 16" H Single 600 gph 100-125 gallons
WD-150CS 24" x 12" x 16" H Dual 800 gph 125-150 gallons

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this has been my favorite.
the price seems fair for what i need and its supposed to do, it has a cover, comes with an overflow box and hoses. a pump is all i need.
i would also wrap the intake portion of the first chamber with a black/blue background material i used for the back of the tank. this would help keep the light for the chaeto concentrated the best.

**what type of lighting would work best for the chaeto? would led lighting be okay? i have some lights that i bought for my freshwater thats still in the box. they are about 30" long, so thats a bummer, but i like the lighting it gives for just light. would a smaller led fixture like a clip on of some sort be okay...or does it need a regular bulb like those small ones on a beta tank?
i might end up installing them inside the stand for easy viewing of the items if dark.

i would believe that the sump would be able to handle a higher turnover and a higher rated pump for the return - but is that needed?
i was going to run a pump thats about 500-600 gph to return the water back into the tank - which should give a good flow on the surface of the tank. the dual for the 800...seems higher than needed, but i suppose i can run around a 600 pump on that one too.

as for the bio balls, would skipping out on them be okay? i was thinking of the first chamber to keep the chaeto under some light above the egg crate and have some live sand under that. second chamber, i was planning to keep a skimmer (if i choose to go with one...still need advice on that) and have the return pump set in as well. if there is room, which i think there should be, i might have some live rock in that chamber as well. i can always have the pump sit on top of the live rock to maximize space and some more live sand under that to keep away from the sand.

the other sump i looked at:
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i like the idea of the black walls, to keep the light into the sump where its needed (for the chaeto). however, i don't like the open top of the sump. i suppose i can always cover it with a piece of glass that i can get cut, but one reviewer mentioned that the material is thin, and it bows out with water. i hear bad things about socks as they clog, so i don't think i'd use the socks, again, chaeto ans live instead. thats sounds kinda scary to me. so i wanted to know if anyone else has had some bad experiences with sumps, or if they can recommend one to me.
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Re: new 100g reef tank.

Postby Fishlab » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:19 pm

You have cultured rock in the tank, there is no need to drop a shrimp or anything else in to decompose. The rock is already "alive" and ready for bioload. The tank looks good in the pictures! You need to make sure you have lots of flow though, because you have the rock stacked heavily on top of each other, waste may start to collect in all kinds of places. You can always start that way and if you have problems open the rock up a bit, it may never be an issue.

I've used all kinds of things as sumps, Rubbermaid totes, small aquariums, etc. Unless you want something to look "professional" since you have an open stand, I would not spend the $$ on sumps like the that. I would not use the bioballs or the socks as they both trap waste quickly and/or are a pain in the butt to constantly clean. I would not put liverock in the sump, you already have more than enough surface area with the rock and sand, you couldn't possibly put in enough fish to overload it, they would kill each other over territory first. A sump just has to be simple, the overflow box from the tank empties into one end and you put your return pump at the other end. I've created chambers with pieces of Plexiglass siliconed into the tanks. I would use a sump and fit in the largest skimmer that will fit. A skimmer aerates and removes a lot of gunk, its easier to empty a cup than do a water change...and there are additives that can further enhance a skimmer (vodka, sugar, vinegar, etc.) that cannot be done without one. I wouldn't not use a skimmer without a deep sand bed.

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But again, you have an open stand so you could use a more aesthetic looking fixture if you want.
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Re: new 100g reef tank.

Postby ~RuSh~ » Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:24 am

How are things going here Jumpman?
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Re: new 100g reef tank.

Postby jumpman972 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:56 pm

things are going along really well.
its been some time for the tank to come around, the rock is looking good and i have had a chromis fish successfully living in the tank.
ive been testing twice a week and parameters are in check and looking great.
the overflow box runs into the sump smoothly, protein skimmer broke in and took out some junk, and its coming along.
i'll be introducing the clean up crew within the next week - its tough for me during the week so i think i might have a sat shipment bring all the little guys in.
things are going well and playing the waiting game so i will post some pics shortly when everything starts to come along a little nicer.
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Re: new 100g reef tank.

Postby ~RuSh~ » Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:06 pm

Hit us with an update buddy. 8-)
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