210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby husslr187 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:58 pm

ok so i brought some overflow combs that came with the rest of the stuff i ordered from aquacave and the teeth are 1/8" wide and 7/8" tall with 1/8" spacing. the problem im seeing is the water going through the bubble trap on the right(drain/skimmer) side is almost 1 1/2" high over the first baffle so im can't see where these would be effective on that side. on the left(fuge) side i can use them as the flow would be much slower. but i may have to modify the combs for the right side.

now about the flexable tubing. waste of $20 for short runs like i had planned i couldn't get the pipes to stay flat without trying to move the pump. for longer runs they are probably great but trying to isolate vibrations from the pump with less than two feet wasn't doable. oh well maybe i will find a use for it elsewhere. at least the pump is quiet even without any sort of vibration dampening
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby ~RuSh~ » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:49 pm

So you've got dual intake chambers? And the center chamber is the return?
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby husslr187 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:36 pm

the intake chamber is on the right, the return is in the middle and the fuge is on the left. the fuge is only going to be feed off the manifold so i can control the flow rate through there. this is where i would put the macros that dont like alot of flow. the right chamber i plan on putting cheato in since it can handle the high flow. i will say the flow from that pump is huge for its small size. i was expecting something bigger. when the pump was running all the small particles that i couldn't vacuum out was swirling quickly around the 2" intake like it was in a wirlpool but sideways.

now about the pump head threaded fitting
i think if i get a two inch threaded nipple 4" long and a one and one half inch nipple 4" long, i may be able to solve the loose thread problem on the pump head. i think the male threaded adapters that i have may just be to short on the threaded end to get a proper seal but if i get the threaded nipples and the female threaded adapters to match this should solve my problem.
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby Buehler » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:08 pm

Sounds like a solid plan to fix the pump problem. How do you have the return plumbed? Is the tank drilled in the bottom or will it be flex-pvc over the top?
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby husslr187 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:34 pm

i have 4 holes in the bottom of my tank within the overflows, two 1" and two 3/4". im going to be using all of them for the return and drilling through the back of the tank for the drains (bottom is tempered glass) the thing is i have to be very accurate since i dont have alot of room in inside there. as far as separation i will drill 1.5" drains down low with a 90* short radius elbow and pipe and the 2" ill drill near the top with a street 90* (barely fits) for my emergency drain. the drains will be setup for the herbie method with a little extra large emergency drain since there is going to be quite a few 90* elbow in it.
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby Buehler » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:01 pm

That sounds like pretty intense. Are you going to use just a Cl for ciruculation?
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby husslr187 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:19 pm

im sure it will be i put alot of thought into where the drains and returns go in the tank. i even have 22 1/2* elbows for the 1.5 drain on hand just in case im a little off but i have very little margin for error when i drill the 2". glad i have steady hands

for tank circulation i was looking at the vortex pumps just still undecided between mp40's or mp60's. i think i should get this running first though and see what flow i can get before i decide which is still a while down the road.
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby ~RuSh~ » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:49 am

So, what percentage of the display tank water is going to be going through the manifold? I mean, the point of a fuge (IMO) is to eliminate nitrates, and phosphates but if a larger percentage of water is simply going from the intake chamber and then right back out, I don't think you'll be able to maximize denitrification... thoughts? B?
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby husslr187 » Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:53 pm

there was no plan on putting all that water through the display tank, i was just looking from energy use point of view. if i brought separate pumps it would be (2) 950gph pumps for the display (1) 700-800gph pump for the skimmer and (1)??? for the fuge and reactors. overall it would be about 300-400 watts for all those pumps not to mention the heat they put out. the pump i bought does all that and then some with 175watts and without adding heat to the water. besides that i do enjoy building things plus i got some new toys to play with :mrgreen:

EDIT: plan with the fuge was to run the water though slow enough for more contact time with the water before it enters the return chamber. i will also be running cheato through the intake chamber as well so i guess i will get the best of both worlds
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby Buehler » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:26 pm

With the amount of turnover it could work. What kind of sand bed are you going to have in the display?
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby husslr187 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:11 pm

haven't really decided 100% yet. i do know i don't want a fine grain sand, i have been leaning more towards a medium grade aragonite so i don't have sand blowing all over the place. im going to do a 4 inch deep sand bed in hopes that it help with some of the nitrates
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby Buehler » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:38 pm

I was thinking a DSB in the DT would help with the nitrates and you could load the fuge with more macro algaes :D
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby husslr187 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:46 pm

what are your thoughts on this http://www.aquacave.com/MIRACLE-MUD-by- ... -P309.aspx for the fuge. i have heard alot of good reviews
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby Buehler » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:24 am

I have always heard good things about MM, but if you are running a DSB in the DT I don't know how effective it would be in the fuge.
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby husslr187 » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:56 am

tank is drilled, stand and sump is inside, could not get tank on top of higher stand :-x going to need more people tomorrow to help lift that beast up there. problem i have right now is that i have 200+ gallons of fish in a 55. i have an AC110 going right now on it completely full of all the ceramics from my sump along with a few handfuls in filter bags laying in the tank. they are also in a very darkroom with blackout curtains that will not be disturbed. my guess is that i'm going to need to change the water maybe twice tomorrow depending on how long this takes, i just hope WW3 doesn't break out in there. since i put them in there, i have noticed a few things that i underestimated. my fish are HUGE! i always thought my tiger oscar was 11-12" and my biggest tinfoil barb was 8-9" but when i checked on them between drilling holes i saw my tinfoil was longer than the tank is wide so that must mean my tiger is 13-14"+. i guess seeing them in the 210 makes them look much smaller than they really are. i feel sorry for them right now but at least its not a bucket

i should have this wrapped up tomorrow. when i wake up in the morning first thing to do is water change. after that i will get as much plumbing as i can prepared or completed without the tank on the stand until my help arrives in the afternoon. second water change i will probably do around 1:00pm so that, along with no feeding should keep any water quality issues low. i started on this right after work (im sure the neighbors liked my idea of drilling at 9-10:30pm) since i have the next three days off to work any possible issues so i didn't have time to take pictures tonight, but tomorrow i'll take plenty for everyone

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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby husslr187 » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:05 am

PICTURES (i know i got a little cleaning to do) in the first picture i ended up cutting the 1 1/2" drain down to 3" or so to get it to quiet down.

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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby Tom » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:51 pm

That is impressive!
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby husslr187 » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:43 pm

thank you took a while longer to do than i thought but i got it. when i first started the pump i had one 3/4" line below wide open for the fuge and the two 1" lines feeding the tank wide open and well lets say im glad i had the 2" drains since i was darn near floating the lids. after that i added another 3/4 line below to the return section to lose some of the additional flow until needed later.

since the pictures i have added red flourite to the fuge and will try some plants again there since my oscars rip up everything in the tank
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby ~RuSh~ » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:10 am

Awesome job! I love the pic with all the remnants of pvc, lol. Looks like you were wading in it for a while. 8-)
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby husslr187 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:32 pm

~RuSh~ wrote:Awesome job! I love the pic with all the remnants of pvc, lol. Looks like you were wading in it for a while. 8-)


thank you. im glad i didn't keep an eye on how much i spent on plumbing especially the valves and unions. as of right now i got it tuned in to complete silence of the drains. not all 4300gph is going in the tank, maybe more like 1500gph since i have three more 3/4" going back to the sump below. one opened slightly in the fuge section, and the other two are in the return section valved about halfway for future use. the two tank feed are also valved down some as well. speaking of fuge section heres some pictures of my aquatic green thumb attempt

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if i had to guess its probably not enough light. the dark green plant in the back, im not sure if it will live or not since it was pretty dry. only time will tell
my oscars decided to play tug of war with a nightcrawler today beyond that nothing else new
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby ~RuSh~ » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:54 am

Hows the fuge looking?
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby husslr187 » Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:07 pm

the plant that i put in look pretty much the same but i got a few sprouts from a few of the cheap plant bulbs. i'll take a picture in a few minutes
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby husslr187 » Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:54 pm

heres a few pics. first one i tried to get close to the same angle and the other two you can kinda see the little sprouts

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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby ~RuSh~ » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:57 pm

Ah yes, I see the sprouts.

I think that grass you have in the foreground is mondo grass. I'm not sure if that's what it is, but if it's mondo grass, it's not aquatic. Eventually it will just rot.
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Re: 210 AGA W/ 125 AGA sump/fuge

Postby husslr187 » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:54 am

~RuSh~ wrote:Ah yes, I see the sprouts.

I think that grass you have in the foreground is mondo grass. I'm not sure if that's what it is, but if it's mondo grass, it's not aquatic. Eventually it will just rot.


i can't remember the name but i'm pretty sure it wasn't mondo grass. i wouldn't be surprised if petco mis-labeled though
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