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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:40 pm

Do you have a link to that thread?
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:21 pm

Thanks for that. Looks like it would require a hardware upgrade for me (I don't have a sump or anything), just an HOB filter and HOB protein skimmer. I'm trying to keep this as simple as possible, but it might require breaking down and getting all of that hardware that everyone else uses..
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby Kmuda » Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:53 pm

You already have the skimmer, no sump is necessary. All you would need is this:

http://store.drtimsaquatics.com/Nano-NP ... p_453.html
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:26 pm

That is a lot more palatable... I'm going to have to look into it! Thanks!
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:19 pm

Just got moon lights set up today (R2 Extreme LED Aquarium Moonlights), which is a nice little 5 LED fixture. I'll have to see how it works tonight. I turned it on, and liked the effect, but it was during the day, so I think the real effect remains to be seen. The LED fixture should come in tomorrow, so everything should be set up tomorrow. I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to manage the fixture under my hood. The hood is about 7 inches deep and the fixture is 3.25 inches deep. I'm going to do my best to hang it under the hood so that everything is hidden, but that might add another inch to the fixture depth, meaning it would be 3ish inches above the water, which might be a little close. I'm thinking I might have to cut a hole in the hood and basically set the fixture on top of the hood. I'd like to avoid that if possible, but I'm not sure it will be possible. I went up to Home Depot to get a straight metal brace which I should be able to bend into a U or zigzag (with right angles) so that I can essentially make a tray to slide the light into. That might be the best option.

Regardless, it's probably going to be a bit of time before I get photos of the tank with new lights because I'm going to ramp them down for now so as not to shock the animals. Over the next couple weeks, I'll gradually increase the lighting and then I'll get photos.

A while ago, I noticed some anemones growing amongst some of the zoanthids. I thought they (naively) were cool. On looking at things lately, those anemones are getting big and the zoanthids are continually closed up, I suspect because they're getting stung. Well, turns out they're the oh-so-fun aiptasia anemones. I ordered some Joe's Juice to take care of them. I'm hoping that I can nip this in the bud before it becomes problematic.

I also think that I'm going to remove the filter. One less thing. I had originally put it in there to maybe control nutrients, but since the vodka dosing looks to be working, there's no need for it, and it's one less thing that could suck up a BTA. And if I get rid of that, it would create some space for a Active Pearl tumbler.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby ~RuSh~ » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:44 pm

Well, cmon JP, you can atleast snap some pics of the new fixture so we can see it! Not every one of your pics has to be Calendar worthy! :D

The aiptasia is a huge PITA. I battled it, and battled it. Seems like if you don't absolutely 100% kill the nem it will disperse clones as it's last ditch effort to pass on it's life force. Just a bit of advice. If you can't get at the nem's stalk, wait for it to grow out a bit. Sometimes just injecting the head isn't good enough. I've used Aiptasia X and that seems to work if you can cover the entire anemone in it, and then let it sit for 10 minutes or so. But if you don't get the whole thing, I can guarantee you a few weeks later you'll see a dozen more sprout up. :evil:
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:55 pm

I'll snap photos as things come in.

I've looked read a bunch of reviews, and it seems like Joe's Juice does a good job of getting rid of them (and it seems like they like to eat the stuff). I saw another option which may just be fun to do. You apparently can get a strong laser and burn the suckers.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby Lilly » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:17 pm

Hi MM,
I have used Aiptasia X and it worked really well. Here is the link http://www.bigalspets.com/aiptasia-x-2-02-fl-oz.html Make sure you turn off the powerheads and filters so the stuff stays on the aptasia until it solidifies.

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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:31 pm

If the Joe's Juice doesn't work, Aiptasia X is next on the list...
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:20 am

I really like the moon light. I didn't realize that the corals would fluoresce under it. It's like looking at brand new corals! Now with the nutrients getting under control and getting good lights, I'm going to have to invest in some other corals...
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby ~RuSh~ » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:54 am

MonarchzMan wrote:I saw another option which may just be fun to do. You apparently can get a strong laser and burn the suckers.



You certainly can do this, but I've looked into it... it's spendy. About the cost of the LED fixture you just purchased....



MonarchzMan wrote:I really like the moon light. I didn't realize that the corals would fluoresce under it. It's like looking at brand new corals! Now with the nutrients getting under control and getting good lights, I'm going to have to invest in some other corals...


That is definitely the best part about the moonlights. Gotta love them.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:27 pm

Got the light in today, and it's pretty impressive. It is amazing that there are colors in these corals popping out that I had never noticed before. I didn't realize that the toadstool polyps actually would fluoresce green. It will be interesting to see if the palys will shrink up a bit now that they don't have to reach for the light as much.

I ended up getting 9" metal braces and bending them into a Z (with right angles) and sitting the light in those. I was worried about the metal braces, so I just wrapped them in seran wrap and then heated it up a little bit to get it to form fit, essentially, so all of the metal is covered in plastic, and therefore, will not rust. The light does not appear to be going anywhere and is still a good 4-5" above the water. My only concern now is salt creep. The skimmer produces some bubbles that I would like to get rid of so that, when they pop, droplets do not land on the light.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby ~RuSh~ » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:53 pm

That salt creep is a PITA. It's one of the big reasons I wanted a sump... I got my skimmer out of my display and it was such a relief. Then my sump cracked.... and the relief turned to grief.... :lol:
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby ~RuSh~ » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:58 pm

Kmuda wrote:You already have the skimmer, no sump is necessary. All you would need is this:

http://store.drtimsaquatics.com/Nano-NP ... p_453.html



I'm afraid this isn't going to be as "palatable" as we had hoped. MM has a HOB protein skimmer, not an in sump skimmer. After the pump pushes water through the reactor, the water then has to go back into the main tank before getting into the skimmer. The resulting biofilm will definitely have access to the display tank and with those new LED's my guess is Algae city wouldn't be far off. If there was a way to plumb a line directly from the reactor into the skimmer itself that would solve the problem, but I don't know if that is a possibility.

See a better description here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMx4HOsG3Rc
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:32 pm

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Kmuda wrote:You already have the skimmer, no sump is necessary. All you would need is this:

http://store.drtimsaquatics.com/Nano-NP ... p_453.html



I'm afraid this isn't going to be as "palatable" as we had hoped. MM has a HOB protein skimmer, not an in sump skimmer. After the pump pushes water through the reactor, the water then has to go back into the main tank before getting into the skimmer. The resulting biofilm will definitely have access to the display tank and with those new LED's my guess is Algae city wouldn't be far off. If there was a way to plumb a line directly from the reactor into the skimmer itself that would solve the problem, but I don't know if that is a possibility.

See a better description here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMx4HOsG3Rc


Well, looks like I would only have to plumb a tube either to the intake of the protein skimmer or into the bubble chamber of the protein skimmer, which I don't think would be too difficult. Basically just get some tubing, and direct in through the non-bubble chamber into the bubble chamber.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby ~RuSh~ » Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:37 pm

If you can do that, it will work. But I think you'll want to go into the bubble chamber... that's where the slime will be foamed up and collected. Unless your bakpak is designed a little differently than mine is...

Also, the mesh netting works fairly efficiently in eliminating the microbubbles. Didn't a mesh bag come with your skimmer?

I may be looking at this next...
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/p ... atid=19865
Pump is housed outside the tank which is much more efficient for small tanks like mine. Would be fairly easy to plumb a reactor into it as well.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:52 pm

I think plumbing it directly into the bubble chamber would be easy. I would ideally like to, if I got it, have the set up outside of the tank rather than have the pump in the tank, which is what it looks like how it is designed so that I don't have another thing hanging in the tank.

Mine did not come with a mesh sock. I ended up using the foam from the filter and wedge it against the outflow in the non-bubble chamber and then just took a piece of plastic that I essentially used like a door, and adjusted that such that no air was allowed in the outflow, and that seems to have taken the majority of the bubbles out of the outflow. There are still a couple, but only a few.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby ~RuSh~ » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:05 am

MonarchzMan wrote:I think plumbing it directly into the bubble chamber would be easy. I would ideally like to, if I got it, have the set up outside of the tank rather than have the pump in the tank, which is what it looks like how it is designed so that I don't have another thing hanging in the tank.



If you are talking about the NP tumbler, I don't think it can run outside a tank... at least it doesn't look like it can. It's a simple fix though, you can run the active pearls in just about any reactor outside the tank and use any pump as long as it's powerful enough to keep all the pearls suspended.

If you go ahead with this, keep a journal. I'd be interested to see how it turns out.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:02 am

Yea, I think you're right. It looks like the overflow is on the top. I looked at the CPR AquaFuge-PR which is a HOB refugium with a protein skimmer. I could potentially do that and put the tumbler in the refugium, but I would still have the issue of getting the overflow to the bubble compartment. I'll have to think on this. It might not be as easy as I thought. I'd really prefer not putting it directly in the tank, mostly just because it wouldn't look very nice. I already have more "unnatural" things in my tank than I'd like.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby ~RuSh~ » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:44 am

MonarchzMan wrote:Yea, I think you're right. It looks like the overflow is on the top. I looked at the CPR AquaFuge-PR which is a HOB refugium with a protein skimmer. I could potentially do that and put the tumbler in the refugium, but I would still have the issue of getting the overflow to the bubble compartment. I'll have to think on this. It might not be as easy as I thought. I'd really prefer not putting it directly in the tank, mostly just because it wouldn't look very nice. I already have more "unnatural" things in my tank than I'd like.



I'm on the exact same boat. I have three powerheads and a heater which is as much as I want, but the benefits of the NP Active pearls are really too great to simply shrug off.

That's why I'm looking at that Eshopps HOB skimmer. The pump for the skimmer is housed outside the tank, saving a lot of room so you only have an intake tube and an outflow. A reactor could be added easily enough but that means putting another pump in the tank.

Perhaps adding a simple sump would be worth the benefits? Say a 20-30g rubbermaid tub. No baffles, just an in sump skimmer and hook up a reactor...
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:09 pm

Yea, that might be an option. It would be nice to have a refugium that I could grow chaeto in to help with nutrient export. I was just really hoping I could avoid a sump and added complications...
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby ~RuSh~ » Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:13 pm

I understand completely. At some point though, with all the equipment we are considering a sump will actually be a big help and less of a complication.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:35 pm

I'm just trying to keep things as simple as possible for now because I'm still renting. When I get a house of my own, I'm going to upgrade to a larger tank (most likely) and start getting into the more complicated plumbing stuff and sumps and all.

I got the Joe's Juice today and it works like a charm. I used it on all of the anemones that I saw and they just shriveled up. Hopefully there won't be an explosion of little ones... I might consider a peppermint shrimp (I've read they eat aiptasia) but my only concern would be that it would be eaten by the jawfish or hawkfish.

The cyanobacteria really loves the new light. It's growing really fast and is producing a lot of gas (oxygen, I assume?). Normally the rock at the top of the tank would have bubbles form from the cyano, but now even the cyano at the bottom is overproducing gases. I suppose that this is a good thing because it means the cyano will get really happy until they suck up all of the available nutrients.

The BTA is still refusing to move. It has discovered the light and has stretched out from under the rock it's on (still upside down) to get some light, which I suppose is good, but it'd be nice if it just moved to a new location. After seeking the actinics on last night and all of the corals lit up, it needs more color in the tank. I will probably get a shelving montipora, a bird's nest, and some acropora for SPS at some point in the next couple months. In the meantime, however, I might have to see what the next paycheck is and if I can spare $100, I might splurge on some zoas. I really would like some variety of color, sizes, and shapes of them in the tank... My watermelons seem to be taking off. I have probably 4-5 new polyps and more sprouting all of the time. I think in 6 months, it is going to probably cover a 4"x4" area.
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