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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby Buehler » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:56 pm

Nice looking skimmer. Can't tell from the amazon pic but is it covered across the top?
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:00 pm

Not sure. It hasn't arrived yet, but if not, I'll probably cut some acrylic to cover it so that I don't have additional evaporation from the sump.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby Buehler » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:42 pm

lol meant sump in that last post. What kind of evap you got now?
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby ~RuSh~ » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:08 pm

How did you install the sump? Did you use a DIY overflow? Did you use any PVC cement? It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to put that HOB filter back on for a week or so to run carbon in. The turnover rate will help you more vs what the skimmer is giving you.

Hopefully things bounce back. I hate to read this but it seems like all of us have at least one big crash. It seems nearly inevitable unfortunately.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:07 pm

I probably have about a gallon a week, maybe two. That seems to be about the top off rate I have.

I used an Eshopps Overflow with PVC leading down to the sump. I deliberately didn't use PVC cement because I thought it may cause problems. Instead, I fit the PVC and then siliconed the outside of the joints to help against leakage. The return pump was plumbed with vinyl tubing. No chemicals or anything used there as it was a really snug fit. The only thing that seems to be the issue is the silicone.

For the first time since sunday, the toadstool has extended its polyps. Not fully extended, but it's the first sign of life it's given since sunday. The Xenia still looks really unhappy, as do the mushrooms.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby Buehler » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:12 pm

Glad to hear stuff is coming back around. Mushrooms always took a while to come around after a mess up in my tanks.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby ~RuSh~ » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:13 pm

I wouldn't suspect the silicone if it was only on the outside of the pvc.... strangeness. Well give it time. Sometimes I think just leaving things alone for a bit is the best route. Water changes are good but sometimes even the smallest things can stress a sick coral...
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:28 pm

~RuSh~ wrote:I wouldn't suspect the silicone if it was only on the outside of the pvc.... strangeness. Well give it time. Sometimes I think just leaving things alone for a bit is the best route. Water changes are good but sometimes even the smallest things can stress a sick coral...


Sorry, I didn't specify, I used silicone in the sump too, to create baffles.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby ~RuSh~ » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:04 pm

I see. That does make more sense... guess I'll be staying away from GE silicone then...
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:20 pm

I might be through the worst. I got the sump yesterday, and installed it, but before hooking it up and getting it running, I siliconed the outside of the pipe leading into the tank with GE Silicone I (which seems to be the okay kind, it's the Silicone II that is problematic) to prevent against leaks. I'm letting that cure before I get the whole system up and running. But no silicone that is completely submerged in water. I will also gradually be transitioning over to Reef Crystals which will hopefully help make corals happy.

I think most of the corals will be okay. I saw the Xenia pulsing like normal today, although it is still shriveled up. I think that the cabbage leather might be toast, but to be honest, if that happened, I wouldn't cry too much about it. I've read leathers can be problematic for other corals by releasing toxins and if I was going to branch into the SPS and LPS, I was probably going to remove it anyway. If it comes back, cool, but if not, oh well. The mushrooms still look horrible, but haven't died yet, so here's hoping.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:30 pm

Well, the sump has been hooked up for a couple of days, and everyone seems to be happy, or at least no one seems unhappy. The mushrooms are still taking their time at recovering, but I think everyone else is back to full, or near full, health. The Xenia continues to improve and the People Eater Zoas are finally opening up (they are far more stubborn about opening up than my other zoas). I seem to have had an explosion of copepods, or what I think are copepods. They look like tiny little house centipedes. Maybe no more than 1/8" long. I transferred some from the main tank to the sump so that the population can grow in the sump. Once I am happy with the sump population booming, I might look into getting a mandarinfish.

One potential benefit, it seems, of nearly destroying the tank is that it seems as though the aiptasia were very sensitive to the chemicals in the silicone. There were a few that were tiny and right in the zoa colony so that I couldn't really get them, but since last sunday, I haven't seen any. So perhaps I nuked the aiptasia accidentally?
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby ~RuSh~ » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:59 pm

Yup. Same thing happened when my tank crashed. Aiptasia were gone.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:54 pm

Well, the bryopsis has exploded, so I think I'm going to have to go chemical. I ordered some Kent Magnesium to add to the water, which should be coming today, but I'm going to wait until I get a test kit since it can apparently be problematic to the animals if it raises too quickly. I thought about a lettuce nudibranch, but this has just gone nuts, so I think I need something that will go after it all. Hopefully after a few weeks of treatment, the bryopsis will be taken care of. If it's not one thing, it's another with this tank.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby ~RuSh~ » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:25 pm

I hear ya man. It's a roller coaster ride for a while until you really get things ironed out. Keep at it though. Things will settle eventually.
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby MonarchzMan » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:55 pm

Short update. I got Kent Tech M Magnesium to battle bryopsis since that seems to be the product that works best for it. I have been adding some the last few days and just got a Salifert Magnesium Test Kit (I know, probably not cool to elevate magnesium before having the test kit, but I was being conservative about how much I increased it). My magnesium levels are at 1680ppm right now, and I think I'll up them to 1900 or so. That seems to be the sweet zone for killing off bryopsis. I'll update how it goes. I really hope it works because this algae is really out of hand (I have been removing probably about a handful daily and have not made a dent).

In an unrelated note (I think?), my clown has decided to host the BTA which I'm stoked about. I read that captive clowns are not as likely to host anemones, so I wasn't expecting it, but am happy she's doing it. It's pretty humorous, though, because she now has lots of love spots where the BTA has stung her. :lol:
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Re: Thinking of taking the plunge...

Postby Kmuda » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:09 pm

This thread is continued in the new forum here:

http://www.oscarfish.com/forum/saltwate ... lunge.html
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