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My BP has a problem?

Postby Lilly » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:31 pm

Hello everyone,

My Blood Parrott Dewey was acting like it was going to lay eggs.....a first for this fish...it has been digging holes in the substrate and rubbing its egg tube?....anyway no eggs as yet this is now going on three weeks. Today I have noticed what looks like a clear bubble where the tube was. This is a large as a good size green pea :!: Any ideas what this could be :?: I will try to post pics as soon as my son comes in.

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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby Kmuda » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:28 pm

I'm not sure I can help you with this one Lilly. I am not familiar with the symptoms you are describing. Are you sure the "bubble" is not coming from the anus?
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby Lilly » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:36 pm

Hi Kmuda,

No ...I am not sure...but I do not see the egg tube anymore :-?
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby Kmuda » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:16 pm

My concern is you were not seeing an "egg tube" but rather a prolapsed anus and the "bubble" is actually a section of intestine that has ballooned about. :huh: Further validated by your description of him appearing to "scratch" the area. A prolapsed anus would be irritating.... at the least.

I would temporarily convert over to a diet of wet foods. If he's small enough, something along the lines of frozen bloodworms or brine shrimp. Brine or Mysis shrimp would be good as the shells will act as a roughage. Frozen krill would serve the same purpose if he's too large for bloodworms or brine shrimp.

If it continues, you may need to think about dosing with Epsom Salt.

What is his current diet?
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby Lilly » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:11 am

Hi Kmuda,

I am feeding Sprulina flakes, blood worms and NTS chiclid. This fish has been eating the flakes mostly. What ever this bubble is I can see blood vessels. :shock:
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125g - I albino tiger O- 3yrs ,2 BP's,1 baby vieltail O
45g - reef, mixed corals, 2 nemos,1 bicolored angel,1 dersa clam,1sand sifting star fish,1 cleaner shrimp, various cleanup crew
26g Q tank -1 BP
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby ~RuSh~ » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:34 am

Definitely sounds like a prolapse.

Does it look bloated? Has it been eating recently? Is it acting normal?
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby Lilly » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:52 am

Hi RUSH,

The belly on this fish is always round.....yes it is taking bloodworms and flakes.....no the behavoir is odd....lots of digging and rubbing.

I need to know how to do epsom salt treatment if you think it will help...I do not want this fish to suffer. :cry: I have had it for 4 yrs now .


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65g - 1 tiny BP , 5 baby Silver Dollars
125g - I albino tiger O- 3yrs ,2 BP's,1 baby vieltail O
45g - reef, mixed corals, 2 nemos,1 bicolored angel,1 dersa clam,1sand sifting star fish,1 cleaner shrimp, various cleanup crew
26g Q tank -1 BP
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby ~RuSh~ » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:55 am

Epsom Salt Treatment
Quickest Cure:
Feed a shelled pea. Peas are natural laxatives for fish. You may want to slightly blanch or microwave the peas for a few seconds to soften them up and remove the shell.

Quick Cure:
Feed a pea with a crystal of Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) in it to the fish. Epsom salts is a purgative. If that doesn't purge the fish, use one of the expanded methods below. Ammonia levels must be watched carefully.

Short Dip:
In a large container filled with water from your aquarium, add 1 tablespoon Epsom salts per gallon (this keeps water temperature constant for the initial part of the bath. Swim the fish in this solution for 1/4 to 1/2 hour or until stress shows or feces are released. Top the water up in the fish's usual container with dechlorinated water and return the fish to it. Change the water in about an hour to remove any feces and residual salts. Repeat daily until fish shows signs of recovery. Check for signs of bacterial infection or parasites for further treatment.

Medium Term Bath:
1 tablespoon Epsom salt per 5g, repeated every day for 3 days. Up the temperature to between 82 and 86 degrees Fahrenheit and monitor for two weeks. Increase aeration or surface agitation during this time of offset the lack of oxygen in the water due to the high temperatures. During this procedure do not feed. After the fish has recovered - feed a more varied diet including live foods as much as possible (crickets, earthworms, bloodworms, etc.) Check for signs of bacterial infection or parasites for further treatment.

Long Term Bath:
Add 1/8 teaspoon of Epsom salt for every 5 gallons of water. Up the temperature to between 82 and 86 degrees Fahrenheit and monitor for two weeks. Increase aeration or surface agitation during this time of offset the lack of oxygen in the water due to the high temperatures. Check for signs of bacterial infection or parasites for further treatment
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby Lilly » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:22 pm

I know the fish will NOT eat the peas so.....which treatment ? Do I start at the top of the list?

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65g - 1 tiny BP , 5 baby Silver Dollars
125g - I albino tiger O- 3yrs ,2 BP's,1 baby vieltail O
45g - reef, mixed corals, 2 nemos,1 bicolored angel,1 dersa clam,1sand sifting star fish,1 cleaner shrimp, various cleanup crew
26g Q tank -1 BP
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby ~RuSh~ » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:56 pm

Yes, I would start out with the short dip.

Any chance we could get a picture?
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby Kmuda » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:04 pm

Lilly, if you have a hospital tank I would move the BP over and go with the Medium Term Bath. Otherwise I would try a short term dip and if that does not provide same day results convert to the Long Term Bath in the main tank.

If you have a hospital tank, bare bottom would be a very good idea as you can see anything that comes from the fish. Poo or otherwise.
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby Lilly » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:39 pm

Hi Kmuda,

So I have another question. My Q tank has 6 baby silver dollars in it. Dewie the BP is living in the 125 gal right now with Lilly and the tank is being dosed with Kanaplex right now for Lillys pits.
I had to move Louis(BabyO) to the 65g on last Saturday (4 days ago) because Lilly was pushing him around alot. I saw Louis do a white stringey poo, probably sick from the stress of being pushed around to much. Anyway I am feeding him Kens Sprulina flakes that has the Metrondiazole added to treat the white poo. He still has 2 days to go of treatment....feed 2X a day for 6 days. This stuff is working...no more white poo :) Also tonight is the third dose of Kanaplex for Lilly.

I was thinking what you thought of doing a short term bath, in a 4 gal bucket of tank water with aerator, then into another 5 gal bucket of just tank water 15 mins before moving back into the 125 with Lilly?

OMG when it rains ....... :roll:
65g - 1 tiny BP , 5 baby Silver Dollars
125g - I albino tiger O- 3yrs ,2 BP's,1 baby vieltail O
45g - reef, mixed corals, 2 nemos,1 bicolored angel,1 dersa clam,1sand sifting star fish,1 cleaner shrimp, various cleanup crew
26g Q tank -1 BP
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby Kmuda » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:12 pm

Yep... a lot going on. :lol:

Go with the short term bath as you've described. My primary intent with the Medium bath was to minimize stress. One move. Done. With the short term bath, if you don't get results the first time around, you may have to do it again and each move is added stress.
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby Lilly » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:28 pm

Okay then....the bucket it is...for Dewie

BTW....Lillys pits are responding to the KanaPlex :D :D
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby Lilly » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:08 pm

Okay here is my BP "Dewie" and that :shock: is what I am worried about :huh: I just finished the bucket treatment and I did find a small piece of shell... in the botttom of the epsom salt bucket....nothing in the clean water soak bucket....the fish handled the treatment like a pro :) and is back in the 125 g none the worse for the wear.

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Please let me know what you think and how to proceed.

As always, thank you!
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125g - I albino tiger O- 3yrs ,2 BP's,1 baby vieltail O
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby Lilly » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:09 pm

Hi Kmuda

Any ideas from the pics :?:

Rush,

Is this what you thought it would be :?:

Just checking to see how I should proceed.

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65g - 1 tiny BP , 5 baby Silver Dollars
125g - I albino tiger O- 3yrs ,2 BP's,1 baby vieltail O
45g - reef, mixed corals, 2 nemos,1 bicolored angel,1 dersa clam,1sand sifting star fish,1 cleaner shrimp, various cleanup crew
26g Q tank -1 BP
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby ~RuSh~ » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:18 pm

It's not exactly like I pictured it... I guess I was imagining more intestine. All the same, I would continue with the salt dips. If something is being pushed out that isn't supposed to be out our best guess is some type of blockage or constipation.
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby Kmuda » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:43 pm

That is certainly some symptom resulting from blockage. Found a small piece of shell huh? Is there something with a "shell" in the tank he could have eaten?
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby Lilly » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:24 pm

The substrate was for african chiclids ... used to keep the PH up...Dewie must have injested the shell instead of spitting it out while digging :roll:

Anyway I will continue the short dips until something shows up? Dewie did eat a small cube of frozen blood worms....that is a good sign right :?:

Thank you Kmuda and Rush for the help :D
65g - 1 tiny BP , 5 baby Silver Dollars
125g - I albino tiger O- 3yrs ,2 BP's,1 baby vieltail O
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Re: My BP has a problem?

Postby ~RuSh~ » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:23 pm

Its hard to tell. Sometimes its a good sign. It means he's feeling healthy enough to maintain an appetite. On the other hand it could just make the prolapse worse. Sort of a judgement call on your part...
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