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Northfin fish food 1 year 3 months ago #69475

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www.oscarfish.com/6-star-foods/962-northfin-fish-foods.html
" Very little, if anything, seperates Northfin and NLS. NLS may even be a better product due to the healthful benefits of Chlorella Algae and Ulva Seaweed. The reason Northfin has recieved a 6 star rating and NLS remains in the 5 star category (5.5 stars) is that I have been able to recieve an "Ethoyxquin Free" statement from Northfin, to include absence of Ethoxyquin in pre-manufacture meals. I have not been able to recieve an Ethoxyquin free statement from NLS. Site rules in ingredient ratings is that to achieve a "6 star" rating, the manufacture must identify an Ethoxyquin free food ".

Kmuda,The reason you were unable to to receive an ethoxyquin free statement from NLS is because they are not willing to blatantly lie to you. This is what separate NLS from NF. NLS has been up front about ethoxyquin in their food. They clearly said “ New Life International Inc. does not directly add ethoxyquin to any of our foods”
The owner even made the following statement in the public forum. “ I personally know of no manufacturer that makes their own in-house fish meal on site, which means that if fish meal is being used in a food, any type of pet food, there will be at least a small amount of ethoxyquin in the final formula”.

If you want to read NLS response about ethoxyquin on one of the public forum, below is the link.
thefragtank.ca/community/threads/food-that-kills.17439/
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Northfin fish food 1 year 3 months ago #69479

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Trust me, I've read everything Pablo has to say about Ethoxyquin.

I believe the issue is larger than a single manufacturer lying to me. There is likely nothing unique about the Krill being used by Northfin, which would indicate that any Krill based foods would be higher in Ethoxyquin than allowed. That is what I want to know. How wide spread is the issue?
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Northfin fish food 1 year 3 months ago #69499

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I can't seem to find a floating Northfn pellet
In tanks with sand...no big deal
Malawi and community eat off bottom
In my larger tanks with river stone, what they don't catch I vacuum up on saturdays

I am using 1 mm pellets in the homemade food squares.
Doesn't help the squares stay floating but slows the decent for a lazy Oscar...
But I would like to use large pellets for JD who refuses to loo at homemade squares.
I'll stick with Hikari but if thr re is a large floating NorthfinUSA pellet, please share
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Northfin fish food 1 year 3 months ago #69505

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I use Northfin tropical sticks.
All the fish eat them, and they float.
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Northfin fish food 1 year 3 months ago #69510

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The NF I have is called slow sinking. Some hangs on surface for maybe 5 secs, but some also drops quick. Bigger pellets, 6mm jumbo formula and 10mm carnivore sink slower than small.
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Northfin fish food 1 year 3 months ago #69511

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I have been using those 10 mm carnivore pellets as a staple for over a year.
I feed them one at a time and stop after 6 to 8.
Only the O eats those, but the chocolate steals one every now and then.
Then I drop a dozen or so of the tropical sticks.
I also use both 2 and 6 mm krill pellets and some ZooMed Spirulina 20 flake.
That feeds them all for 2 or 3 days...
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Northfin fish food 1 year 3 months ago #69514

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Tropical Sticks float as do the 6mm Koi Supreme.
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Northfin fish food (KRILL) 1 year 2 months ago #70074

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Full Disclosure, I work with the largest producer of krill-derived products in the world. At a recent Trade Show I was asked to chime in on the Ethoxyquin issue and whether or not there is actually krill meal available that is properly preservative free.

I can say, definitively, that there is krill meal produced that is preservative-free. The issue with preservatives in fish meal has most to do with the cubic volume of the product being shipped. Fish meal, and krill meal, are highly oxididizable and therefore dangerous to be shipping in an enclosed space like the hold of a freighter. Ethoxyquin is a supremely effective anti-oxidant and well indicated in feeds destined for fish.

Krill Meal behaves differently than fish meal in that the fat is not easily separated from the protein...where fish meal can hover at 6% most krill meal has fat levels over 25%. This is due to the peculiar nature of the Omega3's in krill. While there are Ethoxyquin alternatives, none immediately presents as effective...particular for krill meal. It is likely that given the regulatory trend, producers will move to a blend of some sort or, ideally,utilize larger scale vacuum packers with nitrogen flushing. This however, is very, very expensive.

Our company has been producing a preservative-free krill meal for some time. This product is packaged in 25kg bags which are vacuum packed...the naturally occuring Astaxanthin in the meal provides stability for up to 2 years. This particular meal has undergone an additional sieving process to reduce the shell volume (and thus the flouride levels) making it suitable for mammalian diets.

I am not aware of any other krill producer who offers non-ethoxyquin preserved product in meal form. The only exception being product that has been deep frozen prepped for oil extraction. This type of meal is very, very expensive given the front-loaded cost of said preservation. This is not to say that there aren't some kg's of natural krill meal out there. However, given that the second biggest producer has just gone bankrupt (Olympic/Rimfrost) and two of the other 9 boats previously fishing for Antarctic Krill have been docked, it is unlikely.

For reference, preservative-free krill meal is roughly 2x the cost of ethoxyquin treated product.
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Northfin fish food (KRILL) 6 months 2 days ago #71322

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Several months on and time has past in which to reflect. What is the thinking now about the “preservative-free” status of the Northfin products?

I’ve recently had an email response from Northfin to a message I sent regarding the matter. They advised me that they have been testing incoming ingredients since January this year (herring and krill specifically) and “our laboratory results showing 0% of any preservatives in the ingredient including Ethoxyquin”

The UK / EU representative for Northfin has recently posted a test report for a single krill meal sample to a UK based Facebook page indicating a 0% ethoxyquin finding. They advise that their website will be updated "soon" to include their test reports.

I know there was talk of other independent testing of the products potentially being undertaken. Is there any further data available?

I see that the food review section of the Oscarfish forum no longer contains links to the Northfin reviews, but the reviews are still available via search. Are the Northfin products still considered to be 6 Star Foods?

Thanks in advance for any input.
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Northfin fish food (KRILL) 6 months 1 day ago #71327

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InvCichlid wrote:
...What is the thinking now about the “preservative-free” status of the Northfin products?

I’ve recently had an email response from Northfin to a message I sent regarding the matter. They advised me that they have been testing incoming ingredients since January this year (herring and krill specifically) and “our laboratory results showing 0% of any preservatives in the ingredient including Ethoxyquin”

The UK / EU representative for Northfin has recently posted a test report for a single krill meal sample to a UK based Facebook page indicating a 0% ethoxyquin finding. They advise that their website will be updated "soon" to include their test reports....

There is a degree of greed associated with most who are trying to make their way in this world. Greed will cause well intentioned people to bend their principles and ethics. It's difficult, amongst a large constituency of reasonable people, to identify a clear line where shrewd, opportunistic business practices bleed into the realm of being unethical.

Based on the information available to me at this point, I believe Darius Chodocinskas' marketing practices crossed the line of shrewd and opportunistic and became unethical. I believe he either encouraged or endorsed his marketing team to intentionally mislead consumers who were wanting an ethoxyquin free fish food by systematically providing misinformation in hopes it would garner him more business. As a result, I don't find him, or anyone he employs to advance his interests, a credible source of information. I no longer base my product acquisition decisions on any information Darius or his agents provide to the marketplace.
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